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Joined: 8/19/2006
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hi all,
just a quick comment / sugestion on the new clubs which are starting up at the moment. (i know of 3 that are being spoken about so far)
i reckon it fantastic that there is so much interest in the club scene at the moment but one thought which has occured to me is that it may make more sense to have one larger club with several arms or chapters rather than several smaller more fragmented clubs.
the local arms may well be able to have a pres or chairperson to take care of local issues / event etc, making sure that the clubs focus is spread evenly over its entire member base.
i'm not try to discourage anyone or knock any of the work which has been done so far, or for that matter create any more work fo the volies, but i believe that what i'm suggesting has several advantages.
1 - shared insurance cost
2 - a stronger voice with more members when dealing with the industry and gov bodies like rec fish west etc
3 - shared resources (this may well happen anyway)
there are propably more issues which have not occured to me as yet but i thought i'd throw the idea out there .... what are your thoughts?
macca
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You make a very very valid point and I 100% agree. To be honest I was a bit surprised that once we'd announced our plans that all of a sudden other clubs started being created, but I guess you have to expect that. Hopefully we can work something out and possible integrate them, as you say, the savings and benefits could be quite large. At the moment we really need to work at getting this club closer to operation (which is getting there with more work being done every week).
Dave
Owner/Manager JiggyJigs.com Proudly Associated with Egrell Dezigns Rods
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Joined: 1/18/2007
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Yeah the 1 mother club makes sense, and then regional areas.
Plus then there be 1 repository of information, ie 1 forum, I see no point in having information spread accross multiple forums. Together we are strong.
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Yeah your right there aswell Shane.
At the moment all the club info and happenings will be posted here. Once the club is formed and website built it will be moved to there. Posting notifications of events elsewhere is fine as it gets word around but having different places for ideas and the likes does not make any sense. It means we all have to look to umpteen different places unneccassarily.
Owner/Manager JiggyJigs.com Proudly Associated with Egrell Dezigns Rods
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Joined: 1/18/2007
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If you modified your forum code a bit you could most probaly direct inject your notifications into other sites that want to get on board.
A mailing list might be another idea, alot of people are not allow the web at work, then inject those emails into your forums for a record. Oooh, maybe some RSS feeds as well. I like the way Outlook 2007 handles them.
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Catching up with a mate (developer) shortly to chat about working on RSS feeds and other communication ideas for the site. Spoke to him this morning about it...as I have another website I am working on that needs similar features. Also looking at working on a latest posts and other statistic modules. Unfortunately I have the sales/management skills (at least I like to think so) but lack a bit in the tech/development skills...so changes might take a little while longer.
Interestingly my mate mentioned that RSS feeds don't tend to work so well with forums. He said the blogs and news/announcements pages are far more ideal.
Dave
Owner/Manager JiggyJigs.com Proudly Associated with Egrell Dezigns Rods
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Joined: 6/7/2007
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The main reason, at least in Mandurah's case, is that they have the ability to run off an existin club which reduces their costs straight away. By being a single club issues of shared costs would have to be looked at up from before you could get too far. By running off another club they have ready to go facilities and insurance pretty much covered. This means they have the $$$ up front to put to other things.
I understand where you're coming from Macca, but it's then a big beast to coordinate. No reason the different clubs can't pool resources for events though.
JMO.
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Joined: 6/16/2008
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DO we need clubs at all ?. This year has shown me that we can get things done better when we do it ourselves. And yes i do have very good reasons which i would love to post up but i will refrain after promising to behave . 
If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?
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Joined: 8/19/2006
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good comments all round i reckon...
bear - with a name & intention such as "west coast sporting anglers" i think its going to be a big beast anyway, i still reckon that the combined front advantages will out weigh the extra head aches involved ...... but i'm open to alternates
one of the issues that i've noticed in the general fishing comunity over the last 5 years or so is the lack of a common voice, recfish west's membership push has gone some way to attempt to resolve this. so i guess my concern is that anything which creates any additional fragmentation should be looked at to see if it can be avoided.
szarn - i reckon a club is needed for all of the stated reasons, but mostly for a bit of simple structure. i reckon that your right doing it ourselves is the way to go and thats what a club the likes of west coast sporting anglers will facilitate better that any other structure i've seen around of late.
macca
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Well after the weekend and a few post comp issues, plus a chat with some seasoned tournament organisers, ive come to the conclusion that what needs to be done is to keep everything squeaky clean. There were a couple of issues that soured the weekends fishing and what pisses me off is that they werent brought to me, rather to other people who werent involved in any organisation for the weekend. So things are going to be very clearly defined from now on.
Dave and I are spending alot of our spare time in getting it sorted out properly and we will have info up as soon as we confirm things. There has been a bit of confusion with the way people find out about what is going on with different websites. Some have more traffic where its stupid not to post up happenings on there, others have a few more loyal members where we can get into it a bit more. A website will be up and running soon with all of our intentions, notices etc on there and we are wanting to link to it on other sites. So far everyone seems to be cooperating which is really good for the sport.
All these suggestions are great and will be dealt with at the AGM.
Team Jiggy Jigs
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Brad, i know the comment that you are referring to and i wouldnt let it affect you too much. you also know my position from the weekend on fish sizes.
The weekend was a screaming success, everyone clearly enjoyed it and i dont think anyone was disappointed at all. As we have said all along i think the idea of the club should be to put the onus back on the participants. the members can decide how big or how small the club can be. no one is going to make any money out of this so if people are going to be dishonest or irresponsible then dont come complaining when the club falls apart. Personally i dotn think we would need people like this as members.
As for the website, lets cut the crap. Dave offered this forum as a base to start with and i think we should continue to use it (for the record i have no financial association with JJ other than as a team member) - yes it would be nice to have another forum but at the moment that is another distraction and financial committment that we dont need right now.
Lets not waste time with all this political crap and focus on the important things of getting the club up and running.
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Joined: 1/18/2007
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Ooo...Controversy.
It was a top weekend, I personally am ok with the 25cm to the fork but then thats the target I have to shoot for in the comps. I think if the club teaches people how to develop as an angler rather than just being a comp grinder it will only be a benefit to all involved.
I think the major focus should be, as Evan said, on the development of the club. But a part of that process does need to be segregation from comercial ventures. I have been a part of a few different club startups that where leveraging on comercial sites and it just causes huge issues with rumor mills. In regards to finanical commitment to site hosting, host it at someones home for the start. Hell I have a box hosting websites already, and I bet I am not the only one ;)
But enough of that :D that is for something down the track. You need strong foundations to build a solid structure and I get that impression Dave and Brad, plus other hidden ninjas, are getting their hands very dirty at the moment ;) And with no lack of offer for help I think we just need to keep the ideas rolling and wait for the idea to be put down on paper.
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The website is on the verge of being built. It wont take me long at all to have the basics of the site up. It's been budgetted for and a server sourced. Out of interest Shane, you seem to know a fait bit about IT, what do you do for work? You any good with .NET development? Haha.
We may actually refrain from having a forum on it immediately as to be honest there is so much work to do at the moment that extra work/ideas from people and juggling things in a public forum at the moment is a bit of a distraction. Once the club is running and has a foundation a forum will be added to it, but I'd say the initial website will be for updates of where we are at, and announcements of meetings. Hopefully the forum will be up relatively quickly given our timelines that we are working towards.
Owner/Manager JiggyJigs.com Proudly Associated with Egrell Dezigns Rods
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Joined: 8/19/2006
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as the saying goes yatsey, you cant please all the people all the time.....
the first club weekend was an absolute rip snorter mate, nothing at all to worry about there, any complaints must have surely been over something very small.
off topic - as i understand the fish size issue, it is illegal to be in posession of undersized fish so obviously we cant have undersized fish brought to any weigh in run by any one at all. i belive thats why wabt had 26cm to the tip as a saftey buffer (bear please correct if wrong), so 25 to the fork does the same thing IMO.
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Joined: 6/23/2008
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host wrote
Out of interest Shane, you seem to know a fait bit about IT, what do you do for work?
I think this bloke is some IT Manager in some unversity somewhere. And I reckon all he seems to do at work is sit on the PC and hog the fishing forums, play computer games, flirts with the females at work and finally married her last year! .... now quote me if I'm wrong! 
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